Why no Ram Rebel EcoDiesel?

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Maverick

Discussion Starter · Nov 12, 2015

The Ram Rebel has a lot going for it -- air suspension that gives it a full inch more height than the standard Ram 1500, high ground clearance, tow hooks, and plenty of unique styling features both inside and out. However, one thing that the Ram Rebel does not have is the option of the 3.0L EcoDiesel engine that is available with most other Ram 1500 models. With the Rebel being popular, and the EcoDiesel being popular as well, why not offer the Rebel with the EcoDiesel engine?

The Ram 1500 EcoDiesel has been given great reviews. Most recently it won the "Canadian Truck King Challenge". That truck competition is described below.

The premise is simple. Trucks have to work in the real world, and so they have to work here. The judges drive all of the trucks back-to-back three times along a 17-kilometre loop: once when they’re empty, when they’re pulling trailers, and then with loads in the beds. The full-size trucks pulled 2,721 kilograms, while the mid-size trucks towed 1,814 kilograms, and all carried payloads of 454 kilograms. Once they shed their burdens, they also went through a challenging off-road course.

Ultimately, the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel won out over all of its competitors. Those competitors were the Ford F-150 with 2.7L EcoBoost engine, the Chevrolet Silverado High Country with 5.3L V6 with 8 speed automatic transmission, and the Ford F-150 with 3.5L EcoBoost engine.

Granted, the scores separating each model from the next were quite small, but the fact is that the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel won. The 3.0L EcoDiesel V6 engine producing 240 HP and 420 lb-ft of torque is a hit. So why not pair it with the Rebel package so that customers can have the best of both worlds?

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Jrod250

· #2 · Nov 12, 2015

I test drove a grand Cherokee with the Eco diesel and I wasn't blown away by it. The peak torque is in the low rpm range, so it comes and goes quickly.

TheGreatRam

· #3 · Nov 13, 2015

Not sure how popular a Rebel EcoDiesel will be if it costs more than the current one. Will anyone actually buy it?

Maverick

Discussion Starter · #4 · Nov 16, 2015

It's quite popular on the other Ram models so I just figured that people would go for it with the Rebel as well.

Shewpan

· #5 · Nov 16, 2015

I swear this has been answered... it will take the rebel over GVWR...

Maverick

Discussion Starter · #6 · Nov 17, 2015

What is GVWR?

I just think that if people are interested in both, they shouldn't have to choose.

Ultimately, do you think that Ram would, or at least consider, offering the EcoDiesel as well for the Rebel?

I'm just curious.

KnightReb31°

· #7 · Nov 17, 2015

Gross vehicle weight rating is what GVWR stands for.

Delta

· #8 · Nov 17, 2015

Maverick said:
What is GVWR?

I just think that if people are interested in both, they shouldn't have to choose.

Ultimately, do you think that Ram would, or at least consider, offering the EcoDiesel as well for the Rebel?

I'm just curious.

THEY CANNOT!

It takes the truck over GVWR. It doesn't matter what consumers want, IT CANT BE LEGALLY DONE!

(and if people are interested in both they will always have to choose FFS)

A5 HEMI

· #9 · Nov 17, 2015

I agree the the Eco diesel is under powered for this truck. All the Eco diesel needs is a larger turbo to boost it's power. If FCA would offer a turbo upgrade for the Rebel, it would take this truck to the next level.

johnj

· #10 · Nov 18, 2015

Ram has officially stated they considered offering the EcoDiesel but did not for two reasons:

1. demand for the engines in other models
2. gas engines for the Rebel were very competitive

The EcoDiesel package adds in the neighborhood of 250 lbs to curb (base) weight over the Hemi.

GVWR is 6,900 lbs.
Base weight is 5,365 lbs.
Max payload is 1,530 lbs.
Max towing is 10,150 lbs.

Specs if it had the EcoDiesel:
GVWR would be 6,950 lbs.
Base weight would be 5,611 lbs.
Max payload would be 1,340 lbs.
Max towing would be be either 7,660 or 8,560 depending on the GCWR.

These specs are for the 4WD Hemi, 3.92 rear end. See page 4. Note these charts don't make specific mention of the Rebel model versus others. Page 4 is the page covering Crew Cab, 5'7" Box, 4x4. Be sure you're reading from the right lines. Not sure if footnote 10 applies. If it does, GVWR drops to 6,800 lbs.
https://www.google.com/search?q=1/1...X&ved=0CB0QsxhqFQoTCK-nqKL_l8kCFc42iAodzvcGXg

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Maverick

Discussion Starter · #11 · Nov 18, 2015

I suppose the extra cost for offering the EcoDiesel just doesn't add up to profit with the margins and the take rate.

johnj

· #12 · Nov 18, 2015

It sounds to me like they really didn't know how many Rebels they'd sell, and the engines were already selling like hotcakes in other models, so they chose to run the Rebel without for the moment and try to gauge demand later.

Jpartridgekk

· #13 · Jan 11, 2016

I'm getting a Rebel through a "buyback" with FCA. I'm getting out of my '15 Eco Diesel. The fuel milage was good 22-23 mixed driving. Loved it until I had a catastrophic engine failure at 21000 miles. It's been at the dealership since November 14th. And it's still waiting on backordered parts. Lots of these VM Morti engines are failing and no definitive answer as to why..... Just a heads up on my personal experience with the Eco............ So I'm coming back to the Hemi.

oldhifi

· #14 · Jan 19, 2016

Have they fixed the DPF system? no...

Jpartridgekk

· #15 · Jan 19, 2016

I never had an issue with emissions........ Some guys are having issues though.... A lot of guys are tuning and deleting all the emmissions crap. I planned to delete, thank god I didnt............

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