[3066]

Hey guys,

Excuse my ignorance, I did a quick search here with no real results.

Am I correct in saying that I will require a canbus compatible HID kit for the Rebel? I'm looking to go 6K HID in the lowbeams.

Is it going to be a kit where it is wired to the battery with a relay and etc? Or do the canbus kits have a magic box that "just figure it out".

Thanks in advance!

Craig

 

[ufokillerz]

for 2015+ models you supposedly will need some magic box, much more complex then most canbus kits.

check retrofitsource or retroshop

 

[3066]

Retrofitsource says that they are a unique kit for the 2015+....
****! I had a 2014 kit sitting ready to go in.

2015 Dodge Ram HID Kit - Morimoto Elite HID Systems from The Retrofit Source Inc

 

[test123]

You can always try it. My 2007 charger (also canbus) just has caps that go inline and it works great, my first set lasted over 7 years and no issues with the next set since. Fogs are still the original set and are going strong as well. Im not sure if there really is any difference between the two system, I see a lot of people being told they need stuff they dont.

This is where I got mine from,
Xenon HID Kits - HID Headlight Kits | XenonHIDs.com
Low Beam: 9006 Full Xenon HID Conversion Kit
Vehicle Fitment
2007 Dodge Charger
Bulb Temperature
6000K - Lightning Blue (Most Popular)
HID Kit Wattage / Ballasts
Star Series: 35W AC Slim Ballast HID Kit (Included)
Warning Cancellers / Capacitors
Yes, include
Power Relay Harness / Anti-Flicker
No, thanks

 

[lmeavtitn]

for 2015+ models you supposedly will need some magic box, much more complex then most canbus kits.

check retrofitsource or retroshop

I can confirm that you need more than just the regular Canbus kit. I have tried 3 Canbus kits and they didn't work. Kind of gave up on the HID conversion for now.

 

[44stevenson]

What is the bulb type for the low and high beams? I believe they are the same?

 

[3066]

Alright, after some research and work on the subject I think I have the answers.

The Lowbeam bulb is a 9012.
The Highbeam bulb is a 9005.

Dodge has gone to a new wiring system for the 2015 year.
Typical canbus kits from previous years WILL NOT work. You need a kit which is specifically designed for the 2015+

9012 uses the same base as a 9006/9005.
Upgrading to a 9005 or otherwise in the lowbeam would actually be a downgrade. The 9012 is fairly new to the North American market.
A typical lumen rating of a 9012 seems to be around 1875lu. A 9005 is typically 1700lu.
Piaa / Nighthawk etc don't seem to make aftermarket bulbs yet in the 9012.

Most 35W HID kits will be around 2500lu per bulb, but require a complete wiring harness.

Brightsource is one of the first complete kits to market for this application, and I already have mine on order.

Brightsource Application Guide:
Application Guide

 

[ufokillerz]

Alright, after some research and work on the subject I think I have the answers.

The Lowbeam bulb is a 9012.
The Highbeam bulb is a 9005.

Dodge has gone to a new wiring system for the 2015 year.
Typical canbus kits from previous years WILL NOT work. You need a kit which is specifically designed for the 2015+

9012 uses the same base as a 9006/9005.
Upgrading to a 9005 or otherwise in the lowbeam would actually be a downgrade. The 9012 is fairly new to the North American market.
A typical lumen rating of a 9012 seems to be around 1875lu. A 9005 is typically 1700lu.
Piaa / Nighthawk etc don't seem to make aftermarket bulbs yet in the 9012.

Most 35W HID kits will be around 2500lu per bulb, but require a complete wiring harness.

Brightsource is one of the first complete kits to market for this application, and I already have mine on order.

Brightsource Application Guide:
Application Guide

500 bucks for a kit? they only show listings for 2014 models
a 4300k hid bulb should be 3200 raw lumens.

 

[3066]

500 bucks for a kit? they only show listings for 2014 models
a 4300k hid bulb should be 3200 raw lumens.

By the time is gets through the lens, light output should be around 2500lu.

And yes their application guide goes upto 2015 if you dig right in. It is it's own part number.

 

[3066]

Finally got a chance to dig into this.

I do infact have 9012 HIR2 bulbs in my 07/15 built Canadian Rebel.

I went into install the HID kit, and I simply didn't have the time to do a nice job - so I put it back together.

There is a large connector that goes to the plastic headlight housing. This looks to be power transfer to the inside of the headlight. The traditional headlight plugs are all within the sealed headlight housing. Great idea, pain to modify.

It looks as though I'll have to drill the large back panel in order for my HID wiring to go through. There is a lot of wiring.

See attached pics.

 

[Roomraider]

This doesn't sound right to me I recall a notch in the housing must be cut in, wires go into the notch, silicone & cover goes back on, covering the silicone & exposed wires. Suit yourself & good luck, but drilling a hole in that cover is asking for future problems.

 

[ufokillerz]

yes most kits have the need to drill a 1" hole for the rubber grommet that comes attached to the bulbs.

i have my kit from retrofitsource coming, came right to ~200 after shipping. they have 10% off code posted on their facebook.

any problems with your kit? Does it run more then 20 mins without shutting off?

 

[ufokillerz]

http://brightsourcehid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/33402c.jpg
shows that you have a hold for low beam and high beam, if you ordered both

 

[3066]

Suit yourself & good luck, but drilling a hole in that cover is asking for future problems.

Oh man, I know. I'm already pondering the future water and moisture issues… Thinking I might not go forward with it. I really didn't expect THAT when I pulled the headlight out.

 

[test123]

any chance when you looked into this that you found if there are just better replacement 9012 bulbs? not thrilled with the light output of the stock ones. Do you know if the stock ones are phillips or some off/house brand? I was looking for more information online about 9012 bulbs but didnt find much for sale other than phillip and putco.

 

[3066]

I've completely shelved the 9012 HID idea.

This truck goes off road - frequently. Not saying i'm going to swamp the thing, but the truck gets used… And up here in Canada the forests are almost always moist. I refuse to risk the potential for headlight leaks.


I did find that the Putco brand makes 9012 replacement bulbs. They seem to be about the only brand who do. Now I don't know if they are going to be "brighter" per say.. They may however have an aesthetically pleasing colour output.

9012 Putco Halogen Bulbs | 9012 HIR Replacement Halogen Bulbs

I'm considering going with their "mirror white" 4000K. It seems as though the "Nitro Blue" may hinder light output.
I'll be doing the high beam's in 9005 at the same time.

 

[ufokillerz]

I've completely shelved the 9012 HID idea.

This truck goes off road - frequently. Not saying i'm going to swamp the thing, but the truck gets used… And up here in Canada the forests are almost always moist. I refuse to risk the potential for headlight leaks.


I did find that the Putco brand makes 9012 replacement bulbs. They seem to be about the only brand who do. Now I don't know if they are going to be "brighter" per say.. They may however have an aesthetically pleasing colour output.

9012 Putco Halogen Bulbs | 9012 HIR Replacement Halogen Bulbs

I'm considering going with their "mirror white" 4000K. It seems as though the "Nitro Blue" may hinder light output.
I'll be doing the high beam's in 9005 at the same time.

So you never installed the HID kit? Properly installed it will not leak. I've had retrofit hid kits for years and never had a leak.
I think the stock 9012 bulbs have a 3600k color? You also have to make sure that the bulbs are actual HIR2 bulbs which put out a lot more lumens then non HIR2 bulbs.

I'll be installing my morimoto 50w kit this weekend.

Also a note, 9012 can be interchanged with 9006 bulbs which would be 1870 lumens vs 1000 lumens

9011 can be interchanged with 9005 bulbs which would be 2350 lumens vs 1700 lumens.

My suggestion would be to buy a set of 9011(HIR1) oem bulbs to swap into high beam for a few extra lumens for high beaming. Trimming of tabs required.

 

[3066]

I understand that you've had no issues... But when I say we're offroad a lot... I mean every weekend.
And there is never not water, in any season. We always have water. Constant puddle splashing. We're not crossing streams, or bogging - but you get the picture.

I did not install the HID kit.
The cuts I was going to have to make in the back cover did not leave me with a warm and fuzzy feeling. Cutting open the back cover means the potential to leak. I'm good with it sealed just like stock.

Brightsource offers pre-cut and pre-sealed headlight door kits. I may try this again once they are in stock at my local warehouse.

The 9012 bulbs I have coming are HIR specific. And they are definitely not 9006. I know all about the differences.
You are right on the 9011's though - I will be looking for a set of those for my highbeams.

 

[ufokillerz]

I understand that you've had no issues... But when I say we're offroad a lot... I mean every weekend.
And there is never not water, in any season. We always have water. Constant puddle splashing. We're not crossing streams, or bogging - but you get the picture.

I did not install the HID kit.
The cuts I was going to have to make in the back cover did not leave me with a warm and fuzzy feeling. Cutting open the back cover means the potential to leak. I'm good with it sealed just like stock.

Brightsource offers pre-cut and pre-sealed headlight door kits. I may try this again once they are in stock at my local warehouse.

The 9012 bulbs I have coming are HIR specific. And they are definitely not 9006. I know all about the differences.
You are right on the 9011's though - I will be looking for a set of those for my highbeams.

i'll take some pics this weekend when i do mine. But a single 7/8" hole on each side i am comfortable with.

 

[ufokillerz]

just out of curiosity. Have you seen this image before?

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f210/0212353/HID Wiring Pics/DSC09189_zps0ae9dcae.jpg